when charlie rose says to you you just got a piece of technology, you know that's bad. >> wait, wait. do you have apple tv? >> yes. >> you do? >> had it for years. >> what is apple tv? >> apple tv changes your life. >> i've heard that. >> the greatest thing. i don't watch regular tv. >> i wouldn't go that far. >> just apple. the remote moat inthe most simple remote like a nasa computer i don't know how to use, but the apple tv easy to use. >> like $100. >> amazing. netflix and -- >> before we leave this tell me how you think, what changes might be coming at cnn? in other words, what's the challenge for cnn? >> look, i don't know. cnn has a great brand, a great place and dedicated journalists, and like cbs, there's not a lot of places that have journalists working inging in the field and cbs is one, cbs is one and cnn is a place expanding with bureaus. that's important to us and in our dna. >> i worked for jeff zucker many years. he says in taking over cnn he wants to have more passion. do you think you can meet that bill? >> i think -- i certainly hope so. >> look, a lot of passion in